What if success wasn’t about choosing one path but learning to grow through change and uncertainty? In this episode of More Than a Score, Josh Kinder joins us to share how change, uncertainty, curiosity and courage have shaped his life - from moving schools and chasing surf breaks, to building a career that’s evolved from carpentry to leadership in construction and tech. Josh opens up about the lessons that came from detours and setbacks, and how a simple mindset — “act as if” — helped him step into confidence, possibility, and growth at every stage. His story reminds us that education doesn’t stop at graduation, and that every chapter, even the uncertain ones, helps us discover who we are becoming. This conversation is perfect for parents supporting young people through transitions, students figuring out what’s next, or anyone rethinking what success means. It’s grounded, honest, and full of reminders that success or real growth rarely happens in straight lines. In This Episode You'll Learn: • How to embrace uncertainty and change with confidence. • Why it’s okay (and often right) to shift direction. • The power of “acting as if” when stepping into something new. • What real growth looks like beyond results or roles. • How parents can model calm, curiosity, and courage during transitions. Listen now and share it with someone who’s learning to hold things loosely.
Josh Kinder: Learning to Hold Things Loosely Through Change and Uncertainty
Nov 16, 2025
More Than a Score: Redefining Success Beyond School
More Than a Score: Redefining Success Beyond School is an Australian podcast hosted by Laura Pitt and Dan Steele, a former teacher and award-winning school leader from the Mornington Peninsula, in Victoria. Each fortnight, we share honest stories about school, ATAR pressure, career pathways, learning differences, parenting teens, and what success really means after school. Every guest shares their own path through school and, more importantly, beyond it: leaders, parents, athletes, entrepreneurs, and creatives who did not follow a straight line and still achieved success. If you are a parent watching your child leave school without a clear plan, worried they are "not academic", or navigating subject selection, a course change, or facing learning differences, this show is made for you. The message is simple: no score can sum you up, there is no one right path, and no one wants to peak in high school. New episodes fortnightly. Hosted by Laura Pitt and Dan Steele.
More Than a Score: Redefining Success Beyond School is an Australian podcast hosted by Laura Pitt and Dan Steele, a former teacher and award-winning school leader from the Mornington Peninsula, in Victoria. Each fortnight, we share honest stories about school, ATAR pressure, career pathways, learning differences, parenting teens, and what success really means after school. Every guest shares their own path through school and, more importantly, beyond it: leaders, parents, athletes, entrepreneurs, and creatives who did not follow a straight line and still achieved success. If you are a parent watching your child leave school without a clear plan, worried they are "not academic", or navigating subject selection, a course change, or facing learning differences, this show is made for you. The message is simple: no score can sum you up, there is no one right path, and no one wants to peak in high school. New episodes fortnightly. Hosted by Laura Pitt and Dan Steele.Listen on
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